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March 20, 2005

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Can we pull over a few of the late comments from the CT thread? They continue this conversation, I think.

Looks like Crooked Timber is down. Hope they can bring it back up with the prior posts intact.

No, I mean from the thread here, "Crooked Timber in the Dumpster Too", where we kept talking past the point here of the post you reproduce above.

I'd like to request that you not recopy the posts here, Tutor.

Well we have tie. Let's keep talking in either case.

Ok, let's not copy the posts over, but let's keep that discussion going there as well.

Agreed. Feel like one of the three musketeers brandishing a foil in one hand and flintlock in another. Good fun, Timothy, thank you for engaging in such a lively exchange. We are both going to have to deal with the likes Horowitz as mob up operations continue. Liberals whether they feel like winners or like sacks of garbage, have been consigned to a bad end in that guy's view, and those well connected funders who pay him well. Any tips or pointers we can share may help us both.

It's a lot easier dealing with the devil's yard dogs, than with the devil himself, isn't it? Horowitz is about as strategically important as a Rottweiler.
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One votes for burlesque, another one for satire, still another for earnest honest sincerity - about the only possibility left unsummoned is maybe out-and-out deception. But that's okay, I'm incapable of dishonesty. See? I have a plaque from my superiors attesting to that very thing.
And isn't that a ponder.
Contest the frame without stepping outside of it - like those Escherian perspective anomalies, walking up the stairs and turning left and walking up the stairs and turning left and walking up the stairs and turning left leaves you right back at the landing where you began.
Otherwise you know, there's uhmm...risk. Real danger. Get naked with the bottom line. Confront the orange jumpsuit with your personal God-given number stenciled on its heart.
Try thinking of the top-dog-kingpins as backed into a corner. It's hard to imagine, because they seem to have everything, but they have no options to total control other than abject loss, you know - they can't exist at the lower levels as anything greater than rodentiae. So they're trapped.
Now think of their reactions and actions as proceeding from that corner. Same as the desperate panic of the obviously cornered at the bottom of the economy - only gilded, softened, spruced up and gleaming, with technological/behaviorist refinements and an array of weaponry that's spellbinding.
But it's the same absence of middle ground. There is no middle ground. You really are with them or against them, because in the real world they have no other exit but the narrowing path into the Bardo. They're accelerating into the cul de sac and all their instrumentation's pulsating red.
It doesn't work to go this way, and it won't work for them to go any other way.
There. Now. You see? What you want is to convince people who can't survive in a more benevolent, more righteous and healthier environment, that sacrifice of that magnitude is a good thing. Or that all this will improve, or at least stop hurtling toward the abyss, without any real sacrifice whatsoever.
You think that's too abstract and loggorhetic? Count the SUV's on your local freeway. They're entering this world right out of the maw of that dilemma.
The frame says you can't discuss the menagerie in the living room. Chertoff, Negroponte, Wolfowitz.
Beria.
The frame says you can only say things that make it better for the infantile deities streaming out of the near-future turnaround, spawned by a singular ahistorical moment; real righteousness has its tinge of endured proving, the tempering gantlet of withstood fire, a living-through, annealed, hardened. Evolved. This innocence, this purity that chants outside the windows of a comatose saint, is coming into the world unevolved - it has no experience, it has no tempered strength, it's an infantile unknowing inexperience trying to preserve its lack of knowledge, because of the freedom that provides. It bargains with cynical men and women for protection, and it gets it. The fee is practically unlimited power, given in exchange for shelter and maintenance, and it generates power at unimaginable magnitude. Think that's too airy-fairy? Look at the 300 million souls circling the blinding light at the center of America. No? Still too arcane? Bush is President, Wolfowitz prez of the World Bank, Negroponte in charge of US internal security. How's that? Concrete enough? That light put them there. Not liberal ineffectuality bowing to conservative cynicism, though of course those played their parts. It's that baby-God, trying to protect itself from knowing where it is and how it became what it is.
Pragmatic discussions of the appropriate tools for social change - now - are about as dynamically appropriate as stamp-collecting, or, I'm sorry, philatelic pursuits. Las Vegas numismatism.
Until you guys can talk about what's really here, where we really are, without recoiling in speechless horror and its attendant protective disdain, you're only trying to make yourselves feel better, preserve your own touchie-feelie status quo ante, at the expense of the unnameable promise which is our true responsibility.
Still too arcane?
Too bad.

Put the boots to them, huh, cousin Juke?

My apologies to Mr. Negroponte and Mr. Chertoff. I meant of course that Mr. Chertoff is in charge of Homeland Security, while Mr. Negroponte exercises his honed and sharpened abilities in the service of US intelligence, internal and external - wherever it can be found.

In business and war, now politics, you provoke a crisis in order to manage it. We call that audacity. The gamble paid off, but now that the neocons have seized control, I wonder too if they have any idea what they are doing, except consolidating control, as you put it,

"Try thinking of the top-dog-kingpins as backed into a corner. It's hard to imagine, because they seem to have everything, but they have no options to total control other than abject loss, you know - they can't exist at the lower levels as anything greater than rodentiae. So they're trapped.
Now think of their reactions and actions as proceeding from that corner. Same as the desperate panic of the obviously cornered at the bottom of the economy - only gilded, softened, spruced up and gleaming, with technological/behaviorist refinements and an array of weaponry that's spellbinding. But it's the same absence of middle ground. There is no middle ground. You really are with them or against them, because in the real world they have no other exit but the narrowing path into the Bardo. They're accelerating into the cul de sac and all their instrumentation's pulsating red."

And Jesus cries for blood. The only way out of the con is to run another, bigger. Power is pyramided, like a Ponzi scheme or Enron. Buy in, bring others in beneath you, and rise, until it all blows up. "Falling forward." Hurtling through time, running so fast to keep from falling. That is how I read it too, but it is working, and who and how can we put in an effective bid for something better?

You have work to do for a couple of days and all hell breaks loose. FWIW Timothy, I don't think you really get it. There is much deep respect for the knowledge and specialized skill of trained academics, and many gathered around the dumpster have formal and informal backgrounds that are truly impressive. Tutor is right, you insist on showing up with a knife for a gun fight.

Several points about action and real change vs. the debate about tactics. The most important near term goals are to revitalize the political ranks from the bottom up. Encouraging sincere conservatives is as important as advancing the war weary Liberal flag. All politics are local. Start from the state and local representatives, then to the House and Senate. These guys are vulerable, and they must be stopped on all fronts. So the measure of success is who gets elected on the left and the right.

I still think that the themes of Wealth Bondage need to be exported into some sort of street theatre that brings this satire to a wider audience. I am no creative writer, and even the Tutor begs off when it comes to the skill to really pull this off. With a creative team of writers and actors this could be done very effectively.

Tutor, I think you need to be the producer for this and gather the talent around. Could become a really hot property. I have some casting ideas, but who would you ask to write?

Matt Groening ?

Well, but mentioning Groening's name is interesting. Why doesn't "The Simpsons" accomplish the purposes that the Tutor aims for? Or Jon Stewart? Elsewhere a Wealth Bondage commentator pines for Lenny Bruce and judges various other comedians of our times close but not close enough. Why aren't the jesters we have enough to do what you see as needed? Haven't they brought the proper weaponry to the fight? Is this going to turn out to be a Frankensteinian exercise in building the Ultimate Wit who can beat back the demogagogic right perfectly? Who could possibly match the exacting specifications being drawn up here?

A knife to a gunfight?

Oh, we all know what you're talking about, but the problem is one of the things about why we're fighting the people we're fightingone of the things that makes them them and us usis that they use guns at all, and "I am not a gun," to quote the Iron Giant. (Or, to slide from metaphor to ad hominem: it is said we need a Limbaugh of our own, but one of the signal failures of our age is that they have a Limbaugh at all.)

Of course, the Iron Giant had to blow himself up in a nuclear explosion to win the fight he was in, and he can put himself back together, but I can't. I don't want a gun in a gunfight. What I want is tear gas and a goddam kevlar vest. How does that translate?

I was that same commentator re: other comedians .. but I like Kip's point .. I think it addresses the more fundamental issues .. and my basic interpretation is that the society tolerates sociopathy as the basic ideology held by its elected leadership.

Why that is ? ... well, many reasons have been advanced but I suppose its the case that the USA is an adolescent society pumped up on ez-print money steroids and just-as-ez access to guns, with hormonal inflammation fanned by constant religion and television.

Gruenning and Stewart do what they can, but the leash is only so long. They are corporate intellectual properties. Humor and banter inside Wealth Bondage. The example of Mockus, Mayor, Moralist and Clown, is more inspiring, don't you think? (Timothy, he apparently is himself inspired by Habermas.)

http://www.thehappytutor.com/archives/2004/12/atanus_mockus_m.html

Insofar as we are talking about the role of art, genres are many. How deep does the artist's vision go? Havel is another example. Not a satirist but one who led through art - the good "lies" against the bad ones.

Swift had a leash. So did Pope. And Addison. And Steele. Which of course you know well: you stress your own leash, your own bondage.

Name me the man--not the archetype, not the role, but the man (or woman) who ran free of the leash.

This is an old political game, and I call futility on it. To say, "Ah, but you or he or she are not yet enough, we must be more: the reason that nothing has yet happened is that all who might be examples of the winning strategy are too compromised, too much on the leash, not yet enough. When we run free of the leash, then watch out! The King will topple from his throne". Just you wait! Godot will get here yet! Or, as the comedians might say, "Yeah, when monkeys fly out of my butt."

Diogenes? Jesus? Budha? Socrates?

No, there is for most us no 'outside of wealth bondage.' Recognizing as much, we might drop the pretense of disinterested reason, objectivity, moderation, etc. chatereristic of the liberal style and write as contestants on the killing floor, or stage of history. Whether we are actors or audience is not our call. When the finger of a Horowitz points at your face and he calls you out as a Terrorist, you are no longer a commentator, no matter what comes out of your mouth, no longer a disinterested judge, but a participant and a living example, as was, say Boethius. We may not be authors of the play, the master narrative of good and evil that drives history by galvanizing a constituency, but we are all actors within it, with our parts assigned. And we may play the part of judge or king enthroned with a cross of thorns.

At the least we can register in our own style, stance or as you 'habitus' our own historical position - on a sack of garbage in my case on the perimeter of Wealth Bondage, included by way of exception, on the way to the Dump, along with so many of my friends, who call themselves liberals, not because they choose to go, but because that is the role in which they have been cast by those with the power to it, unless we resist.

What was meant as a wake up call, a plea for solidarity in action, seems to have become bickering around the Dumpster, as to who is the bigger sack of garbage. Not my goal. I had hoped to "rally what remains" in the face of a real world threat to democracy.

Some may find it unpalatable
to politic the artist's easel:
they draw upon experience
and produce a portrait of a weasel.

Can you do couplets, like Alexander Pope?

I could never reach Pope's height.

No shame in that, no one ever did again.

Tutor-
4th paragraph here
"...and wore a stiffened canvas bodice to support his spine."

I identify as what you view as a liberal.

Do I seem to think I'm writing with disinterested or historically disembodied reason?

You've grown too fond of your straw man in this respect. I think there's a bit of truth to it--I still regard Garry Wills' disembowelment of Arthur Schlesinger-style liberals in his Nixon Agonistes as one of the greatest pieces of American writing in the last fifty years--but you draw your caricature so broadly and with such confidence in your own superiority that it swallows a vast range of writing and thinking in the public sphere; indeed, your straw man is so supersized that it threatens to envelop yourself.

Wean yourself from the straw man and you may find that the bickering around the dumpster grows a bit less: for the moment it sounds too much like you take too much interest in what the guys up the street are drinking out of their own paper bags.

Probably fair enough, Timothy. Satire deals often in caricature, like a cartoon or mural meant to be seen from a distance. I lack your current erudition. The trope about drinking is in imitation of Rabelais' refrain, "Let us eat!" We are having, we sometimes pretend, a house party where people come in Wealth Bondage costumes and have a good time.

If you bring a good sherry, we could probably attract a better crowd. The door is open, bring your pals. You are very welcome here. You can come as a strawman, a professor, an authority, a citizen, or just a friend. You have raised the level of conversation, and I want to thank you and hope you will be back. Just bring the sherry.

A lonely, stuffed and ragged man of straw
is a pretty perch for the clever jackdaw.

Shades of late yeats, or hardy?

I have some Songs by Berryman
tacked up on my fridge.
He wrote some snappy choruses
but fell off at the bridge.

Drank, sadly, way too much.

Although his poems are found in kitchens
he's under the table 'fore Christopher Hitchens.

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